About this Blog

This blog is for those attracted to Jesus but who question the traditional baggage often attached to his message, so it has two large areas of focus.

The first area of focus is learning who Jesus is, what he says about the Father, and how we should relate to the Father, to ourselves, and to others. The second focus is examining major baggage issues that often detract from following Jesus freely.

I grew up a fundamentalist and later became an evangelical. As I examined my beliefs, I discarded a lot of baggage that was added to the good news of Jesus, and I hope to help and support others who are on the same journey.

Following Jesus without Baggage

The Intended Audience for this Blog

If you are concerned about unreasonable baggage (rules and beliefs) often associated with Jesus, then this blog is for you. It is a message of Jesus without baggage.

1. First and foremost, this blog is meant as a support for those questioning beliefs they have been taught as true, or even essential. This can be an extremely frightening process, so this blog is a safe place for interaction, questions, and support.

Those escaping religious baggage sometimes abandon Jesus along with it and feel the loss. We are here to say that baggage is not part of Jesus’ message to us; you can certainly follow Jesus without it.

I don’t claim to be an ‘authority’, and I certainly don’t want to become an authority figure to replace authority figures people are escaping. I believe everyone should decide issues for themselves, but I am pleased if this blog provides information and help on the journey. The regular readers and commenters also give a great deal of support.

2. The second intended audience are those already on a spiritual journey from religious baggage and would like confirmation or conversation from friendly co-travelers. Readers here interact freely with me and with other readers. It is nice to be part of a community of like-minded persons, especially when you might not have that in your local area.

3. Finally, this blog is for those interested in Jesus but not the traditional baggage often associated with him, whether or not they identify as followers of Jesus. It is also for those who simply enjoy discussion and interaction on these important topics.

Objectives

Let me make a clear statement. Many conservative believers and many atheist will disagree strongly with my views, but my purpose is not to persuade anyone to accept my perspectives on Jesus, the Father, or the Bible.

My objectives are:

  • To offer for your consideration a foundation for following Jesus without baggage
  • To offer support and conversation for those interested in Jesus without baggage or in the concepts involved

I am happy if my understanding of Jesus without baggage makes sense to you and is helpful; but it does not bother me in the least if you don’t agree with my understanding. I respect your right to your beliefs even if you disagree with everything I think.

The Meaning of Jesus without Baggage

Since the death of Jesus’ earliest followers, certain views have become accepted as ‘truth’ and those who disagree with these ‘truths’ are often excluded from the Church and are no longer considered part of God’s family. This is baggage.

I was raised a fundamentalist, which is an extreme form of evangelicalism, and I fully embraced Jesus at a very early age and accepted a lot of religious baggage along with that choice. Over time, I discovered that much of the baggage I accepted was not legitimate. I first abandoned legalism–the keeping of religious rules, but I also dealt with other baggage that came as part of my religious tradition.

However, I did not abandon Jesus. I still find the person of Jesus, as described by his earliest followers, intensely compelling. He resolves my alienation from the Father, myself, and other people, and he provides eternal life in his death and resurrection. Jesus is the most important thing in my life.

He included me in his invitation

Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.

I accept his invitation, and the invitation comes without baggage.

Six Signs You May Be Lugging Heavy Religious Baggage

Major Baggage Issues

Most issues on which followers of Jesus disagree are not alarming or destructive, but some are very harmful. The elements of harmful baggage I see among Christians today:

  1. The belief that the Father is an angry, capricious, vindictive God
  2. The concept of eternal punishment and torture in hell
  3. An insistence that the Bible is somehow inerrant in every word
  4. An over-emphasis on rules and doctrinal requirements
  5. Commitment to a literal approach to the creation stories in Genesis
  6. Disapproval and rejection of gay people

These views are not only misguided, but they create burdens instead of freedom and are harmful to our relationships to the Father, ourselves, and other people. We will discuss these and other issues, and their ramifications here.

The Good News of Jesus

The Good News of Jesus

Religious baggage is not the only important thing we discuss on this blog. Opposite to the baggage is the Good News of Jesus. As we begin to learn and live the good news of Jesus, we no longer need (or want) to hold on to our baggage.

What is the Good News of Jesus Anyway?
God is not Angry and Harsh with Us as Many of Us Thought
God’s Love for Us Takes Away Our Fear, Guilt, and Self-Condemnation
Do You Still Feel Guilt and Fear because You Fall Short of what God Demands?
We are not to Follow Burdensome Religious Rules
We are Agents for Expanding God’s Kingdom on Earth
Death is Not the End because Jesus Offers Us Eternal Life and Happiness
When the Good News of Jesus Doesn’t Sound like Good News At All

To all the groups mentioned above–and more, I invite you to explore Jesus without baggage.

~Tim Chastain

456 Responses to About this Blog

  1. JackB says:

    Something of an epiphany of thought (at least for me) this morning: I was in a church many years ago where a big July 4th extravaganza celebrated the building of America, as we know it, as being God ordained, but it conveniently left out the inconvenient truths of genocide to take land & slavery as an economic engine. Religions of all kinds often write or rewrite history to support and justify selfish actions…just like parts of the Bible. Things contradictory to Jesus’ teachings. More reason to want Jesus without the baggage.

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    • jesuswithoutbaggage says:

      Well said, Jack! I am a loyal American citizen, but I cannot participate in the rampant super-patriotism expressed by many believers. America is not God’s favored country and often acts directly contrary to Jesus’ teaching and example.

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  2. Jay says:

    I really like your page I have been around religion all of my life it has done nothing but push me farther away from God then closer do to preachers and priests and pastors who could not answer the questions I had for them which I’ve now found on my own and now closer to God than I have ever been. Religion is control of your Spirit Jesus is only way to free it. you don’t need a book or Church or a holy man to get JESUS that a 100% fact

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    • jesuswithoutbaggage says:

      Jay, I am happy that you were able to find your way to Jesus when the religious system did not help. You are right that you don’t have to have a lot of instruction to follow Jesus; Jesus is very welcoming and accepting. And I am glad you like the page! You are welcome, of course, to take a look at other articles that might be of interest to you.

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  3. Kelley says:

    I just found your blog via a comment you left on another blog. I grew up in the PB church. I used to be evangelical, but I am now an Episcopalian. I’ve never felt so home as I do in the Episcopalian church. It’s not perfect and I don’t have community, but I feel so much peace.

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    • jesuswithoutbaggage says:

      Kelley, I am glad you found the blog; I hope you find it useful. I’m also glad you found a church where you feel at home. What is the PB church? Presbyterian? Primitive Baptist?

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  4. Amie says:

    Thank you for your blog. I accepted Jesus as my Savior several years ago but became disheartened with the teachings of my chuch. I left and have been struggling with what I wanted my spirituality to look like. I believe in love and forgiveness but I don’t agree with all of the judgement that comes with church. I think my relationship with Jesus and God is a very personal one and it’s nice to know others feel the same way.

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    • jesuswithoutbaggage says:

      Hi Amie, I am glad you found our blog and found it helpful. Your experience of finding Jesus and then being discouraged by the baggage is a common one. I agree with you about embracing love and forgiveness but not judgmentalism.

      I hope you continue to visit and enjoy the blog, and if you have issues you want to discuss you can leave them in comments or email me at tchastain@cfl.rr.com. Have a great day! ~Tim

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    • tonycutty says:

      Sorry bro but none of this makes any sense, either in the context of its thread, or in its argument. Please could you clarify?

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    • Jen B says:

      Aime – I agree with you wholeheartedly about how judgmental some churches can be. Having felt judged in every church I had visited over 50+ years, I was downright petrified to enter into what is now “my” church the first time! In the past i had always been visiting a church with friends or family who were members, but this time i was actually seeking a church for me. Anyway, I found love and community. I hope you can find a similar church home. Yes, your relationship with Jesus is personal but it feels just wonderful and adds so much more depth to be able to share it with others.

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  5. Jeffrey Bergman says:

    My Church which I love, preaches that even if you accept Christ as your savior you then must constantly strive to pray and follow his teachings or he will not recognize you. I feel that this makes us all feel that we can never be right with God.

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    • Chas says:

      Jeffrey, that sounds like a ‘works’-led church to me. God intended that we should have a direct relationship with Him, which should be a 2-way one based on love. One thing that is important in this relationship is to recognize His awesome powers and capabilities, so that we can acknowledge this and come to realize that we are almost infinitely weak and frail by comparison. In this way, we can learn to rely on Him to guide us and prepare our way before us.

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    • jesuswithoutbaggage says:

      Hi Jeffrey, I spent decades in those kinds of churches. It is so unfortunate that many churches do not understand that God is not interested in people keeping petty rules–or rules of any sort. Part of what Jesus came to tell us is that God is not an angry and harsh God but a father who loves us and eagerly wants us to be reconciled, free, and at peace.

      Those who follow Jesus are expected to live better lives, but it involves loving others–not following a bunch of religious rules or practices. I will let Chas elaborate on what he means by a ‘works-led’ church, but I agree with Amie–I think he means a church that is mired in legalism–or religious rules and practices–rather than Jesus’ principles of living a life of loving God, oneself, and others in a genuine way.

      Like the Father, Jesus is not easily offended and disappointed in people or ready to ‘no longer recognize’ you. This is a very harmful belief and it takes away from the joy, happiness, and freedom that Jesus gives us.

      UPDATE! I now see that Chas has already explained what he meant, and I agree with him. ~Tim

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  6. Chas says:

    It is a church in which the leadership puts burdens on the membership by insisting that they pray and do everything in the way that the leaders think they should. They pressurize the membership to comply by loading them down with guilt if they fail to do what the leaders insist, hence they say that, if you don’t do these things, Jesus will not recognize you.

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  7. tonycutty says:

    Whereas in John 6:37, Jesus says, “All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out” Get that? Once you come to Him, He will never, ever reject you. No matter what you do, no matter what you become, no matter what you don’t do, no matter what humans say, Jesus will never, *ever* reject you. He said it Himself. Meditate on this Scripture and assimilate it into your life!

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  8. tonycutty says:

    Oh dear, do I detect another threat-monger?

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    • jesuswithoutbaggage says:

      Thanks for your responses, Tony. I have deleted the comments of the person to whom you were responding.

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      • tonycutty says:

        Thanks Tim, I couldn’t make head nor tail of what he was talking about, at least not in a constructive sense.

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      • Chas says:

        I think I must have missed something challenging!

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        • jesuswithoutbaggage says:

          Chas, it was two comments by Consultgtf to Jeffrey (I think) about the importance of the 10 Commandments and of God punishing people.

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        • tonycutty says:

          …and it was more confusing than challenging!

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          • consultgtf says:

            Sorry, Tony for confusing YOU, As I was only repeating what is read for the past 3368 years!

            20 And God spake all these words, saying,

            2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the house of bondage.

            3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

            4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

            5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

            6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

            We suffer because we are running behind illusion God.

            Hope This will not be deleted?

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          • jesuswithoutbaggage says:

            Hi Consult,

            I did delete your comment, and recently I have deleted others. Of course your comments are welcome here, but I will delete any comment that suggests:

            1. That we must observe the Ten Commandments or the Law
            2. That God punishes us or causes suffering, or
            3. That Jesus traveled in India

            People are free to post opinions that are opposed to my views or those of other readers, but you have already expressed these opinions more than sufficiently in past comments.

            I do value and welcome your contributions that do not include these three points, and I hope you understand my reasons. It is not personal and I hope you continue to feel comfortable here.

            Have a great day! ~Tim

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  9. tonycutty says:

    Hmm, makes a *bit* more sense, I suppose – I agree in some ways that many believers worship an ‘illusion god’, but Jesus came to show us what God is really like. Check out this blog post for more on this (sorry Tim! Don’t think you’ll mind!):
    http://www.flyinginthespirit.cuttys.net/2015/10/08/graven-image/

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    • jesuswithoutbaggage says:

      I don’t mind at all, Tony.

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    • consultgtf says:

      Thank you…I have already given my comment, but will always give my views on this blog, always! with given constraints as, I was telling the truth which I had learnt it hard-way, after losing my wife and Son…

      I don’t want YOU the learn the same, WAY. In India we have a proverb, It is of No use to worship Sun god, after losing your eye sight…

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      • tonycutty says:

        Sorry to hear you’ve had to go through that, bud. Many of us who contribute on this discussion have also been through the fire….some of us are already in it. But it is just incredibly priceless to have Jesus walking alongside all the time. Interestingly, suffering and pain strip away all the loose things about religion, and concentrate your mind on what it’s really all about – Jesus. When everything else falls away: all the rules; the expectations’ the *baggage*, indeed – then He’s the core, the most important part of it all. And I’m thankful for that!

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        • jesuswithoutbaggage says:

          Well said, Tony.

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        • consultgtf says:

          Sorry Tony, You got me wrong, I am the most happiest person on this earth at this moment, and till I die,

          I don’t know how many are blessed like me. I don’t have any nagging like I used to have before 5 years, Also, I am a Anterograde Amnesia Patient, Goggle to know its symptoms…But I am blessed…

          I can remember only God, “Thee God” NOT Jesus, though! ( Now I differ from You ALL, No Baggage!)

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        • jesuswithoutbaggage says:

          Consult, I am so sorry about your Anterograde Amnesia. I cannot even imagine what it is like to deal with that.

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          • consultgtf says:

            Nothing Great about it Sir, I forget things very often maybe, what I had for lunch or dinner or whether I had or… then YOU can imagine about other things… God is GREAT!

            Thats the reason I don’t want others to go through this and then know HIS greatness!

            PS:- After the accident, I had forgotten everything, including Alphabets, Numbers, word, sentence, Language …The whole world but I could never forget MY GOD, GTF! I was in this Dilemma, as to WHO IS GOD? But now it is very clear…

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      • Chas says:

        I like that proverb!

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        • consultgtf says:

          We all have lot of Baggage’s then these lighter ones, mentioned by Sir, though.

          The Baggage we carry for years without knowing its impact, (in Indian culture, maybe not in western culture…)

          Simple/Silly fights between Brothers or Sisters, family friends, carried on by next generation without knowing the actual reason…

          Few grams of water when we carry it a tumbler for hours, then days, then our years… become tonnes, very similar to these thoughts.

          Jesus lived a life which, NO Human can live, but that was the life God wanted/wants, in our Human birth! How many of us understand this NAKED truth… He knew to control his Senses and live like a human.
          He even asked God to forgive those who killed him! How many human beings are able to forgive others for silly things…?
          Have we ever thought how this negative energy could impact our next generation?

          Think it over… Happy Positive Year 2016!

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  10. Lori Wentzel says:

    I was blessed to have a Protestant Mother and a Catholic Father who because of the religious clash did not take us to Church. I have always believed in a loving God, that Jesus was born to show us God loved us and that the Bible is for some and not for ball. I had a brief period in my late teens and twenties where listening to those of organized religion had me questioning if in fact God was a punishing God. Thankfully my faith prevailed. I feel like sometimes people use a vengeful God with the hope that those that wronged them will be punished. I don’t focus on the punishment of others. I focus on walking my journey knowing that I have so much work to do on myself l. When people rail against everything they believe God hates gay people, muslims, etc. I simply say what if when go home to God you see all those that you thought would be going to hell walking around and God says “my child all I ever asked was that you loved all my children.” Thank you for your enlightened words.

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    • jesuswithoutbaggage says:

      This is a great attitude, Lori! Some people are so quick to condemn others to hell in the name of Angry God. But I think God has different plans. And I agree that some want people to be punished out of their own personal vindictiveness.

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    • Jen B says:

      You are so right that we will see people in heaven that we never thought would be there because in our judgment they were not worthy! Good to remember, He is God and we are not. That vengeful God image turned me off for a very long time. I still stumble on verses such as Psalm 5:5 “You hate all who do wrong”. I do wrong but I know my God does not hate me. Takes some word study and prayer for me to get a better understanding. There are far more verses that speak of his unending love for me. And yes we need to focus on our walk and our behavior and let Him worry about judgment.

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      • Lori Wentzel says:

        Jen how correct you are! I have to focus on what I am doing wrong before I can look at others. That said it is hard not to look at others actions and judge but no one said life was always going to be easy!

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  11. Jen B says:

    I have stumbled upon this blog tonight, only the second blog I have ever read or posted to. Not being too familiar with this format, forgive me if I write too much – just tell me and I’ll cut it back! I am 59 and yet a newcomer to a saving faith in Jesus. I was raised an atheist by socialist parents (that’s not an angry or bitter characterization, just truthful)…they meant well. I was raised on the power of human ingenuity (after all, these were the days of man landing on the moon). I completely dismissed anyone who believed in God as simple minded. I spent years studying the sciences and fully accepted the scientific notions of evolution and big bang. So to come to Christianity now, by way of dabbling in Eastern practices and, yes, a brief time of interest in the Shirley MacLaine whoo-hoo “spirituality” fad, is quite a challenge. I do not have the baggage of childhood Christian church doctrine to discard, but instead my years of humanism and the power of science to answer all questions. I still have to deal with an automatic aversion to some biblical terms that remind me of the fire and brimstone preacher images that I carried for so long and scoffed at for so long, but I am working hard to overcome that and come to deeper understanding and make up for lost time by reading the Bible and everything I can get my hands on that speaks to me of a simple message of Christ’s love, the power of the Cross and the grace that comes from the finished work of Jesus. I noted Tim’s comment above about the Ten Commandments and the Law, and I read something recently that helped me to see the commandments a bit differently: that the Ten Commandments are a command to relationship, a contract for living with Him in love. To have no other gods who would steal away my affection for Him and my attention to Him. He gives me His name to make me His; therefore I am not to use that holy name in vain. He longs to spend holy time with me – set aside the Sabbath as that time. He loves me and I can ruin it with coveting, lying, stealing, murdering and cheating.
    I look forward to following the conversation. Thank you

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    • tonycutty says:

      Brilliant, Jen. Often those of a former atheistic persuasion have the clearest thought processes of all believers, especially those in a scientific mindset.

      Please can I ask: what was it that brought you to Christ? Please feel free to respond or not, as you like :) And welcome to the forum!

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    • jesuswithoutbaggage says:

      Hi Jen, I am so glad you stumbled onto the blog; I hope you find it helpful!

      It sounds as though you have had quite a journey. It is different from mine but it appears that we have come to a similar place. This is what is so rich among those who follow Jesus–they come from such different backgrounds.

      I know what you mean about certain terms that trigger negative reactions; even terms themselves are often loaded with baggage. I hope you continue to visit and to participate in the discussions as you see fit. I look forward to hearing from you.

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  12. Jen B says:

    How did I get to Christ….years of what I now recognize as holy nudges, a God-directed move away from the environment of my early years to an area where God is part of the daily fabric of life, where i could see His work in lives around me, hear His Word in daily conversation and so begin to be more open to actually hearing the message. But, boy, did I resist! Obviously I knew somewhere in that hard heart that there was more to life than what is seen since I was looking for something spiritual in the Eastern practices. 10 to 15 years ago I began watching some of the TV preachers occasionally and found I was not turned off by their message. Then began reading and finding more resources. Beth Moore’s bible studies really opened up the depth and beauty of the Word so I could begin to understand what I was reading in the Bible. And one day as I was reading I just realized that I believed. I got on my knees and asked Jesus to take me in. No fireworks, no blinding light, just a simple knowing that I had the crossed the line into faith. That’s been only 4 or 5 years ago. Got baptized almost two years ago. Finally got the courage to walk through the doors of a nondenominational contemporary loud music Jesus loving cross focused church 3 years ago where I was immediately welcomed and loved.
    I have to laugh at myself as I write this that a person who considered herself so super sophisticated and so much more intelligent than the Jesus freaks was led to Christ, in part, by TV preachers! I am a bit more discerning now about what I watch and listen to, but I do have to thank those I came across years ago for saying something that caught my ear and began to crack open the door of my heart.
    Thank you for asking, Tony. Would love to hear others’ experiences.

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    • tonycutty says:

      Wonderful! Thank you so much for sharing that. You will find that everyone’s path to Christ has been different, and that’s great, because God respects our individuality and therefore treats us all as individuals.

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  13. Janet Hinton says:

    Thank you! I look forward to reading your blog!

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  14. Gordon S. says:

    I came to this site because I know in my heart Jesus is real . . but . . I have become heavily burdened with the process of trying to find Him in traditional church systems. I have come to the point where I would like to believe that Jesus will never abandon me . . even if I abandon church.

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  15. TomLEE says:

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  16. Chas says:

    Tim, my attention has recently been drawn to the imprinting of habits or beliefs during childhood, because it seems to be a particularly powerful effect which makes it very difficult for people, who have been indoctrinated into religious beliefs as young children, to escape from those beliefs. As an example, it seems to me (as an outside observer) that Roman Catholicism indoctrinates young children into feeling guilty about ‘sin’, and that that feeling of guilt may persist into adulthood, even when the person has discontinued attendance at church and has distanced themselves from that belief system. Have you any thoughts about this effect?

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    • jesuswithoutbaggage says:

      Chas, I was indoctrinated in a fundamentalist church, and I can attest to the difficulty of beginning to question what I was taught. However, I am a living example that it can be done!

      However, you are right that one can feel the effects of indoctrination even after leaving that worldview. I think this too can be overcome in time.

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  17. Dustin says:

    I have to ask how you came to several of your conclusions in the “6 Signs of Luggage”. Because several of those are wrong and I’m willing to back my belief with scripture. I’m not coming here to bash you, but my fear is that you are leading people down a very dangerous path way.

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    • jesuswithoutbaggage says:

      Hi Dustin, I am happy to share with you how I came to my conclusions on any issue; and I am also happy to discuss them with you and interact with your thoughts. For my general response, you might wish to read the three articles in ‘About Tim’ in the menu bar at the top of the page. The first one is https://jesuswithoutbaggage.wordpress.com/about-tim-chastain/my-journey-from-fundamentalism/.

      I look forward to our discussion!

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    • tonycutty says:

      Even *if* Tim’s views are against your perception of Scripture’s message, that isn’t blasphemy. Blasphemy is an offence against God; since the Bible isn’t God, how can it be blasphemy? It might be heresy, it might be dangerous, it might be erroneous teaching – but it isn’t blasphemy.

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  18. Dustin says:

    “Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”
    ‭‭Jude‬ ‭1:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

    “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”
    ‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭18:22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

    God doesn’t hate his children but he does disprove of their disobedience and at times he will bring selective judgement. Just like a parent would when you don’t do as you are suppose to. To deny that the bible isn’t Gods word is to deny the story of Jesus Christ for they are the same. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
    ‭‭John‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

    Repent of this blasphemous website and turn back to God and his word.

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    • jesuswithoutbaggage says:

      Dustin, I can’t respond to proof-texts without any context or explanation as to how they prove your point. Can you tell me their significance to you in relation to particular issues?

      I don’t think my views are blasphemous. Why do you think so?

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    • Chas says:

      Dustin. The Bible contradicts itself in numerous significant ways, so how can it be God’s Word? God’s Word would be perfect, as God is Perfect!

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      • tonycutty says:

        I think the reason why the Bible contradicts itself is because of the Rabbinical debate method. Two contradictory and/or mutually-exclusive concepts are presented and the debate commences; the truth is found in the tension between the concepts. Paul and Jesus both had their education in this sort of debate style, and some of their teaching is in this style too. Fascinating stuff.

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        • Chas says:

          tony, it seems more likely that the contradictions arise because two different people were having an input (maybe at different times) without knowing what others had written/were writing.

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          • tonycutty says:

            Oh, absolutely yes, that’s how it happened. But the overall effect is the dichotomy-style argument that enables Rabbinic debate, and also gives us the tensions between ideas that creates an avenue into God’s truth, and also as a by-product creates arguments between people in the Churches who don’t realise that the truth is found in the tension. And indeed also because they don’t realise that indeed the Bible was written by people separated by huge distances in time, and considerable distances geographically, linguistically and educationally too.

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